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    #76
    What exactly is the purpose of the flap?

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      #77
      Originally posted by sdmcoupe View Post
      What exactly is the purpose of the flap?
      Acts as a muffler for the intake. There's a small opening in the bottom of the airbox that allows enough air to go into the engine with the flap closed at low rpm. The flap then opens to allow full airflow through the main opening (which makes more noise) at higher rpm.
      2002 Topasblau M3 - Coupe - 6MT - Karbonius CSL Airbox - MSS54HP Conversion - Kassel MAP - SSV1 - HJS - PCS Tune - Beisan - MK60 Swap - ZCP Rack - Nogaros - AutoSolutions - 996 Brembos - Slon - CMP - VinceBar - Koni - Eibach - BlueBus - Journal

      2012 Alpinweiss 128i - Coupe - 6AT - Slicktop - Manual Seats - Daily - Journal

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        #78
        So the only difference is w/o the flap, the induction volume is a bit (or a lot) louder at lower rpm's than one with the flap?
        Last edited by sdmcoupe; 05-10-2020, 11:44 AM.

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          #79
          I am interested as well as I have the flap, but it isn't wired yet. I noticed at idle there really isn't much of a difference at all. In fact I don't really even hear the CSL airbox until just under 4k with 4.10 gearing.
          2004 Silbergrau Metallic 6MT
          Karbonius/OEM Snorkel/Flap/HTE Tuned
          Ssv1/Catted Sec. 1/SS 2.5" Sec. 2/SCZA

          OE CSL Bootlid/AS SSK/BC Coils/4.10 Gears/ Sportline 8S Wheels/Cobra Nogaros
          RACP Plates/Vincebar/CMP/Turner RTAB/Beisan

          2006 M6 Black Saphire SMG
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            #80
            Originally posted by sina View Post
            If I recall correctly last time someone ran the math on (SSV1 catless section + cats of equal quality + labor) the conclusion was that the savings would be insignificant (ie. at beast a couple hundred dollars) compared to having the guaranteed fit and finish straight from SS?
            That was me and I absolutely recommend buying the Section 1 directly from SS. I did not have labor cost in the equation, plus I chopped off the flanges and welded in v-bands, the point being I was already cutting things up. But generally speaking, its a no-brainer to buy straight from SS.

            Perhaps more importantly, and this is addressed with buying the SS section 1 catted (SS uses HJS cats), is you install good quality cats.

            A company has a write-up on why use HJS cats. Its starts with an F and they make exhaust components for this vehicle....completely blanking on the name.
            '05 M3 Convertible 6MT, CB/Cinnamon, CSL Airbox&Flap, PCSTuning, Beisan, Schrick 288/280, SS V1's & 2.5" System, RE Stg 1&SMF, KW V2, CB PS, Apex EC-7R

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              #81
              Fabspeed?
              2004 Silbergrau Metallic 6MT
              Karbonius/OEM Snorkel/Flap/HTE Tuned
              Ssv1/Catted Sec. 1/SS 2.5" Sec. 2/SCZA

              OE CSL Bootlid/AS SSK/BC Coils/4.10 Gears/ Sportline 8S Wheels/Cobra Nogaros
              RACP Plates/Vincebar/CMP/Turner RTAB/Beisan

              2006 M6 Black Saphire SMG
              Instagram

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                #82
                Originally posted by heinzboehmer View Post

                Acts as a muffler for the intake. There's a small opening in the bottom of the airbox that allows enough air to go into the engine with the flap closed at low rpm. The flap then opens to allow full airflow through the main opening (which makes more noise) at higher rpm.
                First and foremost, its a throttle. The effort was not spent on simply noise control.
                '05 M3 Convertible 6MT, CB/Cinnamon, CSL Airbox&Flap, PCSTuning, Beisan, Schrick 288/280, SS V1's & 2.5" System, RE Stg 1&SMF, KW V2, CB PS, Apex EC-7R

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                  #83
                  I don't have the flap and the volume depends greatly on throttle input.
                  2002 Topasblau M3 - Coupe - 6MT - Karbonius CSL Airbox - MSS54HP Conversion - Kassel MAP - SSV1 - HJS - PCS Tune - Beisan - MK60 Swap - ZCP Rack - Nogaros - AutoSolutions - 996 Brembos - Slon - CMP - VinceBar - Koni - Eibach - BlueBus - Journal

                  2012 Alpinweiss 128i - Coupe - 6AT - Slicktop - Manual Seats - Daily - Journal

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                    #84
                    Originally posted by Cubieman View Post
                    Fabspeed?
                    Right! Thank you
                    '05 M3 Convertible 6MT, CB/Cinnamon, CSL Airbox&Flap, PCSTuning, Beisan, Schrick 288/280, SS V1's & 2.5" System, RE Stg 1&SMF, KW V2, CB PS, Apex EC-7R

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                      #85
                      Originally posted by jbfrancis3 View Post

                      First and foremost, its a throttle. The effort was not spent on simply noise control.
                      Every dyno I’ve ever seen show it making less power with the flap closed than open— so, if it’s a throttle, I’m not sure what its function is.

                      2005 IR/IR M3 Coupe
                      2012 LMB/Black 128i
                      2008 Black/Black M5 Sedan

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                        #86
                        Originally posted by jbfrancis3 View Post

                        First and foremost, its a throttle. The effort was not spent on simply noise control.
                        If they had to meet noise regulations to legally sell the car in some countries, then they would spend the time and effort.

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                          #87
                          One minor downside to not running the "aux." (rear hole) hoses is that I am getting this weird kind of hissing noise at certain throttle input levels. It may be something else though, doesn't sound bad, just a different sound I am getting used to.
                          The flap may play a role in this sound but I'm pretty sure if I got any sort of tubing longer than 6" this noise would go away. Probably a venturi type effect.
                          2004 Silbergrau Metallic 6MT
                          Karbonius/OEM Snorkel/Flap/HTE Tuned
                          Ssv1/Catted Sec. 1/SS 2.5" Sec. 2/SCZA

                          OE CSL Bootlid/AS SSK/BC Coils/4.10 Gears/ Sportline 8S Wheels/Cobra Nogaros
                          RACP Plates/Vincebar/CMP/Turner RTAB/Beisan

                          2006 M6 Black Saphire SMG
                          Instagram

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                            #88
                            Originally posted by COVID-19 View Post
                            There’s a few thread and videos out there.
                            here is one https://youtu.be/Lj62HjYMJHc
                            lol fitment problems? Streamline... go to karbonius, he already solved all the fitments problems, haha i can tell you because i've done all the karbonius airboxs generations... first ones... were a PITA.

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                              #89
                              Originally posted by bjz! View Post

                              lol fitment problems? Streamline... go to karbonius, he already solved all the fitments problems, haha i can tell you because i've done all the karbonius airboxs generations... first ones... were a PITA.
                              Yup can’t go wrong with Karb. I haven’t received my snorkel so I can’t comment on fitment issues.
                              06 ZCP SMG | HTE CSL MAP QuaranTune | SL CSL Airbox | Eventuri Scoop | DMG Strut Bar | RE El Diablo | CPI Euro200R | AP Headers | Porsche BBK | ST XTA | TMS 3-Pulleys/F-Sway/Mono FCAB | AKG Trans/diff/Subframe/RTAB | SPL RCA | SGT SCZA Trunk | ACL | Beisan | Redish | AFD E85 |

                              Budget CSL MAP Conversion

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                                #90
                                Originally posted by COVID-19 View Post

                                Hardest thing is to remove the boot clamps. But if you get aftermarket ones it makes it easier.
                                HAHA dude.. I feel this. I had to replace the intake cam position sensor not too long ago. So the IM has to come off, and those fucking clamps ruined my life for like... Way longer than I'd like to admit.

                                What's the hot ticket for aftermarket replacements?
                                http://www.natehasslerphoto.com
                                '99 M3, Hellrot/Sand Beige, slicktop
                                '01 M3, Imola/black

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