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    Originally posted by Anri View Post

    I would not use lapping method using compound it will damage the
    small needle bearings.

    I would kiss the cylinder height in order to expose the
    shims and job done..
    Im confused. Why lapping the spacer would damage the bearings?

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      Originally posted by sapote View Post

      Im confused. Why lapping the spacer would damage the bearings?
      Sapote,

      First I would say explain what method
      are you planing to use ? Lap the
      parts individuals separate or ? You have
      to describe in deep details I can not be
      guessing what method are you going to use...
      But let say the std method will be to put
      the lapping compound and assemble the
      parts and have fun left and right..

      The lapping compounds are very
      abrasive, the needle bearing must
      be glass smooth when it's installed
      inside the plastic "cage" during work out.
      Why do you want the needle bearing to receive
      abrasive surface by lapping it and
      compound will be all over the place ?

      I told you much better way, take
      0.001" each pass by shortening the
      cylinder in order to expose the washers
      flat with the cylinder.

      Cleaner, better and not making the
      surface abrasive rough and messy
      by using lapping compound that can damage
      the plastic cage.

      When I was perfecting my valve seat
      to valve method, I was trying different lapping
      compound. When the media is rough its was
      leaving micro lines on the valve seat and the
      valve contact ring line. I end up with the softest
      lapping compound available so I can just check
      my valve job for hi and low areas.


      Regards
      Anri
      Last edited by Anri; 02-19-2024, 04:27 PM.
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        Cranked the engine several times with
        fresh oil and spark plugs out to reduce
        pressure on top of the bearings, light off.
        Primed the injectors and it started from
        half a turn like your daily driver before
        you go to work in the morning.

        Took it for ~50miles Break-In my way with
        heavy heavy loads. It runs flawlessly.
        Few more miles spark plugs out to test
        leak down and assemble the cabin filter
        and the rest.

        Regards,
        Anri

        Last edited by Anri; 02-18-2024, 11:03 AM.
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          Originally posted by Anri View Post
          Sapote,

          First I would say explain what method
          are you planing to use ? Lap the
          parts individuals separate or ? You have
          to describe in deep details I can not be
          guessing what method are you going to use...​
          With the splined shaft removed, clamp down one end and measure the axial plays of the other end with a dial indicator. I.e. if the plays is 0.002" then I lap down the cylinder spacer by the same amount of 0.002" -- a little less is ok but not more than 0.002". Not touching any other components.

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            It's incredible to see the car running and hear it again - so looking forward to getting it back and giving it that first drive! Can't wait!!!
            - Jonathan


            2004 M3 6MT Carbon Black OEM+ | Vortex Days

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              Fun to follow as a casual driver/racer. Thanks for sharing.

              I need to do waterpump, FCP sells the genuine without(?) the impeller. Whats the best route here guys? My understanding from reading this thread is that I want a oem with plastic impeller design. This is for my race car. Where can I find or piece together the assembly that offers lifetime replacement?

              Thanks

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                Originally posted by sapote View Post

                With the splined shaft removed, clamp down one end and measure the axial plays of the other end with a dial indicator. I.e. if the plays is 0.002" then I lap down the cylinder spacer by the same amount of 0.002" -- a little less is ok but not more than 0.002". Not touching any other components.
                Okay, in order to take 0.002" with lapping
                compound what you will find is the surface
                will be scratched by a lot and you are not
                going to like it, Sapote. Then will have fun
                polishing the parts to mirror finish as they
                from the factory, smooth.

                Sapote, "there are thousand ways to skim the cat"
                I think you chose # 1000 from the list easy to hard.

                I personally will machine the cylinder 0.002" and keep the
                plastic cage and the shims factory untouched, but again that
                is just me.

                Regards,
                Anri
                Last edited by Anri; 02-19-2024, 04:56 PM.
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                  Originally posted by Anri View Post

                  Okay, in order to take 0.002" with lapping
                  compound what you will find is the surface
                  will be scratched by a lot and you are not
                  going to like it, Sapote. Then will have fun
                  polishing the parts to mirror finish as they
                  from the factory, smooth.

                  Sapote, the saying says "there are thousand ways to skim the cat"
                  I think you chose # 1000 from list easy to hard.

                  I personally will machine the cylinder 0.002" and keep the
                  plastic cage and the shims factory untouched, but again that
                  is just me.

                  Regards,
                  Anri
                  Anri,
                  I don’t think my method is different than yours, except I lap the cylinder spacer (don’t have a lathe) and you machine it.
                  No need to polish the spacer as it doesn’t serve as a bearing surface.

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                    Gents,

                    After the engine refresh I connected the battery back in
                    and the trip odometer resets to 0. I noted earlier today
                    that I drove the engine exact 40miles including going to
                    the shop today to check the leak down and assemble
                    everything.

                    Results are:

                    Cyl #1-2-3-4-5-6 do have exact ~3% leak down <1%
                    This is only for 40miles, that is pretty gooooooood.
                    Give the engine another 1000miles and it will improve
                    with another 1%. I like to check the leak down under
                    100miles after rebuild to monitor how fast I was able to
                    sit the rings, valves. Usually on a fresh motor sitting on
                    the engine stand leak down varies in-between 7%-10%
                    and all is thru the rings.

                    Spark plugs are all even color.

                    Car is ready to cover 200k miles if maintain properly
                    and of course without overheat and regular 10W60 oil
                    with moly and zddp additive, no problem.


                    This project is now completed. Going back to the other
                    S54 engine ready to hop into E30M3 and 2) S62s one
                    in E24 and the other into Imola Red E39M5.

                    Regards,
                    Anri





































                    Last edited by Anri; 02-20-2024, 10:49 AM.
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                      Originally posted by Anri View Post
                      Gents,
                      Car is ready to cover 200k miles if maintain properly
                      and of course without overheat and regular 10W60 oil with moly and zddp additive, no problem.
                      Lovely work and a great thread to read Anri, thank you.

                      Which engine oil do you use in S54 engines?

                      I have been told in the past that the OEM Castrol 20W60 doesn't cling to the components in the top of the engine.

                      Is 10W40 not a better option, at least on a rebuilt low mileage engine?
                      Last edited by ac427; 02-21-2024, 01:59 PM.

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                        Anri, have you ever lightened/knife edged/balanced a crankshaft for an S54 rebuild? If so, any thoughts?

                        Feff
                        MVP Track Time

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                          Originally posted by Feffman View Post
                          Anri, have you ever lightened/knife edged/balanced a crankshaft for an S54 rebuild? If so, any thoughts?

                          Feff
                          Hi Feff,

                          Thanks for the question.

                          This is well off subject, this question falls into
                          race engine build.

                          Never ever ever knife edge any crankshaft !!!
                          It will destroy your main bearings. I have tested
                          this 16 years ago.

                          Why ? the function of the Fillet is to counter the weight
                          of the rod+piston combination.

                          I went very deep into Crankshaft study and design because
                          I am in a process of making some stroker cranks.

                          From many specific areas around the crank this area is
                          called "Balance Factor" I started to reverse engineer
                          the BMW crank by study what balance factor they are
                          using. I don't want to go in deep because this post will
                          be like prescription drug from the hospital...

                          BMW did lighten the S54 in extremely clever way,
                          look at the counter weights but they keep the balance
                          factor perfect and why on S54 main bearings last 200k+

                          Pic bellow is from a crank I cut to study what balance
                          factory BMW Motorsport used in their crankshaft.

                          Benefits ? When I did lighten that test crank I was able
                          to remove 9lb that is pretty good chunk. My revving characteristics
                          barely I mean barely got improved if ANY and that is because the
                          crankshaft as radius is so low as opposite of Flywheel or let say a
                          piston. It did improve my Windage in the oil pan by 0.0000000001%

                          S54 crankshaft is already light, if remove may be 2lb will
                          do nothing to you I mean nothing but problems with the main
                          bearings.

                          Regards,
                          Anri






                          Last edited by Anri; 02-20-2024, 06:13 AM.
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                            CANNOT WAIT to get the car back 😃 Those leak down numbers are looking gooooood!! 10w60 is only what I've used and what I'll continue to use going forward
                            - Jonathan


                            2004 M3 6MT Carbon Black OEM+ | Vortex Days

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                              Originally posted by ChapterM3 View Post
                              CANNOT WAIT to get the car back 😃 Those leak down numbers are looking gooooood!! 10w60 is only what I've used and what I'll continue to use going forward
                              Definitely. All the best with it.

                              I've been running Motul 300v 10w40 Ester based oil. This was recommended by the guy that built my engine. He is the same guy that builds the engines for Evolve.

                              So i was just wondering what Anri thought about different grades of engine oil in general.

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                                Originally posted by ac427 View Post

                                Definitely. All the best with it.

                                I've been running Motul 300v 10w40 Ester based oil. This was recommended by the guy that built my engine. He is the same guy that builds the engines for Evolve.

                                So i was just wondering what Anri thought about different grades of engine oil in general.
                                Personally, I'd reverse the question and ask why your engine builder recommends an oil viscosity not specified by the BMW engineers.
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