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    (Solved) Excessive exhuast popping on decel all of a sudden.

    Edit: This issue has been solved. Retuned car on dyno and there was an issue related to the egr sensor that was causing the burble. Tune was corrected and burble is gone. Not sure why this triggered all of a sudden after a year of running fine but it is fixed now!

    TLDR: Car throwing rich code on bank 2 so I put in a new upstream o2 sensor. Ever since replacing the o2 sensor and clearing codes the car now burbles on decel excessively when previously the car never had burble. Also the ecu refuses to let the o2 heater monitor set ready now even though if you check in mode 6 data with a scan tool you can see the heaters are functional.

    Full breakdown: Car has is tuned with supersprint stepped headers, dual res sec 1, stock sec 2, agency power sec 3, and a drop in bmc air filter. No cats/rear o2 sensors turned off and secondary air pump deleted. Fuel filter done less then 2k miles ago. Injectors cleaned last 500 miles, vanos fully rebuilt, valves adjusted, new spark plugs last 3k miles.

    Car was running fine for past year and never once did the exhaust make any popping or burble even when I got a P0175 for system too, rich bank 2. Even with the rich code active the car did not burble.
    Diag for the rich code was as follows: I smoke tested with no leaks, no exhaust leaks, spark plugs weren't fouled, figured since the car had 130k miles and I wasn't getting any o2 specific codes maybe one of the injectors was stuck open so I pulled them and had them cleaned which yielded no fix to the rich code. So I replaced the upstream o2 sensor on bank 2 with a brand new bosch sensor which then cured the rich code on bank 2.

    Ever since changing the bank 2 upstream o2 sensor I am now getting excessive amount of burble/ popping from the exhaust on decel in any gear. I had my tuner look at the car and they did not see any issues from within the tune that would be causing the overrun on decel.

    Im at a loss for how to even diagnose this issue now over the burble. Does anyone have any insight on what could be causing this of a sudden?
    Last edited by Riley; 10-31-2023, 03:12 PM.

    #2
    Issue with injectors?
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      #3
      Clear adaptations?

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        #4
        Originally posted by TexaZ3 View Post
        Issue with injectors?
        Injectors were just cleaned about 200 miles ago.
        The report from the fuel injector place even showed they were nearly spotless before hand.

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          #5
          Originally posted by bigjae46 View Post
          Clear adaptations?
          Already been done once.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Riley View Post

            Injectors were just cleaned about 200 miles ago.
            The report from the fuel injector place even showed they were nearly spotless before hand.
            That means nothing, they can fail. Popping clearly indicates unburnt fuel, so check your live fuel trims.
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              #7
              I'm kinda "in for the learning" here, so pardon my ignorance. Is *any* amount of popping unacceptable? OP you say "excessive". I have a little popping I guess--SSV1 catted kit, 63.5mm dual pipe resonated S2 and race muffler, HTE tune. I get a little off throttle popping, but barely. I have to pay attention to it I guess. But, drives great!?

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                #8
                What is MAF flow rate in g/s at hot idling? Over report MAF can cause rich mixture.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by TexaZ3 View Post

                  That means nothing, they can fail. Popping clearly indicates unburnt fuel, so check your live fuel trims.
                  Long term/short term fuel trims are normal. Not sure how I would monitor the trims live while driving without installing a wideband sensor?
                  Last edited by Riley; 08-20-2023, 04:52 PM.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by PSUEng View Post
                    I'm kinda "in for the learning" here, so pardon my ignorance. Is *any* amount of popping unacceptable? OP you say "excessive". I have a little popping I guess--SSV1 catted kit, 63.5mm dual pipe resonated S2 and race muffler, HTE tune. I get a little off throttle popping, but barely. I have to pay attention to it I guess. But, drives great!?
                    When I mean excessive I mean excessive. Picture any newer bmw like a 335i with a straight burble tune. I get non stop popping as soon as I let off the throttle. I drove the car for over a year tuned this way and never had as much as a single pop on decel. Drives like normal other then the popping,

                    Last edited by Riley; 08-20-2023, 04:53 PM.

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                      #11
                      I'm not sure, but when you clear adaptations doesn't that reset the cat monitors which then makes the monitors incomplete, then sets it to its default setting to run rich (safe)?
                      With your incomplete monitors and new o2 sensor your setup is now maybe running rich causing the unburnt fuel, so then shouldn't you do the drive cycle to have the cat monitors in a ready state for the o2 sensor to determine the correct mixture? Does that make sense?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by sapote View Post
                        What is MAF flow rate in g/s at hot idling? Over report MAF can cause rich mixture.
                        4.79 g/s hot idling

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Halftim3 View Post
                          I'm not sure, but when you clear adaptations doesn't that reset the cat monitors which then makes the monitors incomplete, then sets it to its default setting to run rich (safe)?
                          With your incomplete monitors and new o2 sensor your setup is now maybe running rich causing the unburnt fuel, so then shouldn't you do the drive cycle to have the cat monitors in a ready state for the o2 sensor to determine the correct mixture? Does that make sense?
                          Ive been driving the car for 2-3 weeks since swapping the sensor and setting monitors.

                          I just reset the monitors again by forcing a code to come on by unplugging a sensor while the car was running so i could clear the monitors. Going to try to do the drive cycle again now

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                            #14
                            For anyone following this thread. I installed another new o2 sensor on bank 2 thinking maybe the first replacement sensor was bad and smoked tested again but nothing changed. Flashed my car back to stock tune to see if it was tune related which it is not.

                            Once again no codes at all but getting excessive burble on deceleration. Only thing I am thinking now is use a wideband on the dyno to see if it afr shows rich or not.

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                              #15
                              Could have screwed up the injectors by cleaning them. New Bosch injectors cost less than one BMW injector. Great time to put in bigger ones. You have think, injectors operate in milliseconds. They could be a little slow by a few milliseconds which doesn't completely cause an issue but they aren't closing like they should. It's the one things that was touched in a way that will really damage them so I'd start there.
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