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    #91
    Originally posted by Nate047 View Post
    No just a two-point strut tower brace. Someone should make a three-point chromoly brace like this for the plebs out there like me
    Are you deleting the cabin filter housing? No reason why you couldn't have a shop fab one. Just need a tube bender and a welder. You probably could just do a triangle - 2 strut towers and 1 point on the sidewall, weld in a large gusset and then flare the holes with a dimple die. That adds a LOT of stiffness.

    Originally posted by jvit27 View Post

    That's specifically why I said "a very different application" and "does not interfere with the cabin". 🙄
    I guess I don't understand how a roll cage and the strut bar is comparable or why they would even be compared to each other?
    Last edited by bigjae46; 08-30-2023, 05:13 AM.

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      #92
      Originally posted by bigjae46 View Post
      I guess I don't understand how a roll cage and the strut bar is comparable or why they would even be compared to each other?
      He's saying this is a strut bar for the cost of a roll cage, with some caveats on the comparison.

      EDIT: Not saying I agree (I don't); just trying to summarize the argument.
      Last edited by IamFODI; 08-30-2023, 10:16 AM.
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        #93
        Maybe DMG or CMP can fabricate a 3 point reinforcement for our cars. Sounds like demand is there.

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          #94
          I don't think it's possible to have a 3 point reinforcement without eliminating the cabin air filter housing, or remaking with extra clearance as Slon did. Using metal tubing (as opposed to CF), I'm not sure there's space to remake the cabin air filter housing and still fit the cabin air filter in there.

          Also, this CF part is molded to the shape of the stamped sheet metal in that location-- which would be extremely difficult to recreate in metal, and not bond in well without. So, I'd expect this would have to be a weld in piece... which, given the location, might make it an engine out install.

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          For cars that get driven on the street (aka, cars with a cabin air filter housing, bringing in fresh air through the hood vent), I suspect this functionality can't be recreated cheaply/with metal.

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            #95
            Originally posted by bigjae46 View Post

            I guess I don't understand how a roll cage and the strut bar is comparable or why they would even be compared to each other?


            Originally posted by IamFODI View Post
            He's saying this is a strut bar for the cost of a roll cage, with some caveats on the comparison.

            EDIT: Not saying I agree (I don't); just trying to summarize the argument.
            Thanks Fodi^

            Both stiffen the chassis. They aren't comparable for the reasons I keep repeating... the point is to highlight that this product costs more than a very extreme alternative that is even more effective.

            I am objective though. Anyone who has known me knows I will always make the same effort to save someone money and steer them away from shitty parts as I do convincing them they need something that is worth it. Will make an effort to meet up with Bry5on and see what this thing is all about and report back before I speculate anything else.

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              #96
              I personally think items like this are important to the E46 M3 community, while many of us won't be able to justify the price and may never even see it in person, I think bringing more modern engineering practices to a 20+ year old platform is super cool. It's always interesting seeing new ways people find to improve our cars.
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                #97
                Originally posted by nextlvel View Post
                I personally think items like this are important to the E46 M3 community, while many of us won't be able to justify the price and may never even see it in person, I think bringing more modern engineering practices to a 20+ year old platform is super cool. It's always interesting seeing new ways people find to improve our cars.
                I think this is an important takeaway from this thread.
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                  #98
                  So, I have not had time to write up a DIY yet, and I'm giving the epoxy a full 24 hours to cure before driving, but...

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by Obioban View Post
                    So, I have not had time to write up a DIY yet, and I'm giving the epoxy a full 24 hours to cure before driving, but...
                    I forgot about the cable tray across the front of the housing. That's must be a PIA to make. Nice!

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                      Originally posted by Obioban View Post
                      So, I have not had time to write up a DIY yet, and I'm giving the epoxy a full 24 hours to cure before driving, but...

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                      Gorgeous!

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                        Fun detail I came upon during install-- tiny spacers on the piece that gets epoxied on, to get the optimal epoxy thickness for bonding strength. Also, very deliberately left rough surface, for good epoxy adhesion.

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                          Originally posted by Obioban View Post
                          Fun detail I came upon during install-- tiny spacers on the piece that gets epoxied on, to get the optimal epoxy thickness for bonding strength. Also, very deliberately left rough surface, for good epoxy adhesion.

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                          This is brilliant.

                          I think the brace looks amazing on top of that CSL race snorkel. Congrats, this must have been a hell of a fun install. Epoxying the mount would certainly give me a pucker moment, but the rest seems like it would fun wrench spinning time rather than arduous.
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                            Originally posted by Casa de Mesa View Post

                            This is brilliant.

                            I think the brace looks amazing on top of that CSL race snorkel. Congrats, this must have been a hell of a fun install. Epoxying the mount would certainly give me a pucker moment, but the rest seems like it would fun wrench spinning time rather than arduous.
                            That is all exactly correct.

                            ​​​​​…. and a moment of brief “oh crap” because I ran the wires under the brace, but that actually only took 5 min to correct.

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                              I am purposely keeping myself in the denial phase regarding this product, because man it's expensive.
                              But I had the same feeling regarding the full SS v1 system with cats, I ended up getting it anyway haha...
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                                It's definitely on my list of mods to buy.

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