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    Recaro Podium review

    This is a pretty unique seat that's marketed as a super lightweight full carbon bucket that can be used for street (ABE certified) and racing (FIA homologated) use. that's doesn't mean much practically to a lot of street drivers, but certifications are always better than no certifications.
    This seat came out right around when Covid hit so supply has always been a problem. I personally wondered why it hasn't been that popular outside of it's high asking price (2 seats for the price of 2 seats!) but now i suspect it's the weight that is the big red flag (will elaborate more on at the end of this post).




    here it is compared to my outgoing recaro pole position.
    - dimensionally they're pretty much identical. I was able to use the same BK seat slider adapters to mount them.
    - comfort wise they're pretty much identical. the Podium cushions feel a bit more firm and memory foam like.
    - the seat comes in two sizes (M and L), but the shells are all the same. buying a Large sized seat will get you cushions that are slightly thinner in order to fit a larger body into the seat






    gotta love the speed holes!!



    fits into our cars identically compared to a pole position. being able to slot the seatbelt buckle through the harness holes is a plus, although there have been some cars sold in america that have had you buckle over the bolster so i guess the DOT is ok with that.

    functionally if you're used to getting in and out of a bucket seat in these cars it shouldnt feel any different than a pole position.
    there's always a downside to having a lot of carbon fiber in your interior. NVH always increases when you add hard surfaces in your car. if you ever have rear seat passengers it's only a matter of time before they make enough incidental contact with the seat to damage it. luckily you can ppf carbon fiber and i would highly recommend doing that before mounting it. One last downside is that my elbows make incidental contact with the carbon side bolsters when i take my hands off the wheel and bring them down to my lap. This is something that isn't noticeable when you have a full fabric seat to cushion the contact. but you definitely notice the bone on carbon contact.


    now onto my personal disappointment with this seat.

    the Podium was marketed as being super lightweight. here are some weights for comparison


    recaro podium - 13.4 lbs / 6.1 kg (advertised)
    recaro pole position (leather) - 19.6 lbs / 8.9 kg (my seat measured)
    recaro sportster cs (leather) - 34.5 lbs / 15.6kg (my seat measured)


    when i got my seat in and got it on a scale i was disappointed to see it was heavier than advertised.

    recaro podium - 13.4 lbs / 6.1 kg (advertised)
    recaro podium - 16.1 lbs / 7.3 kg (on my home scale)

    I won't go into the specifics of the communications between the authorized dealer i purchased the seat from and Recaro themselves. but at the end of the day, Recaro told me to go kick rocks, and the dealer eventually admitted that they were too concerned about their working relationship with Recaro to press the matter further on my behalf.


    one of the ways they tried to dismiss my concerns was to say that my scales are probably inaccurate and theirs are not. well, i just so happen to work in a lab and have access to calibrated and validated scales so that was an easily refutable point (not that it mattered to them). i'll attach a pic of my overweight seat for the sake of posterity​

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    at the end of the day i'm super happy with the seat even though its a few pounds heavier than advertised. more concerning to me is how much lower my opinion is of Recaro the company itself. The seat isn't manufactured by them (3rd party mfg in Latvia), and their mismanagement of the advertised weight of the seat and customer service is probably one of the many reasons they're going bankrupt.

    #2
    Oh nice! Appreciate the review.

    To be honest, I never really paid much attention to these seats because they don't exactly match the interior aesthetic IMO. However, they do seem pretty appealing in other ways.

    Even though they're heavier than advertised, they're still lighter than other popular seats (PP, Nogaro, etc.).

    Couple questions:

    1. Can you run harnesses through any of those top holes? Recaro harness holes tend to not fit me very well, but those look like they're more than tall enough.

    2. Is there a hole for a sub strap?
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      #3
      Maybe a slight difference since if it's a L seat but 2.7lbs is a lot. I would be concerned.

      There should be a layup schedule for the seat meaning the seat is made with so many layers of carbon cloth and the exact spec of each layer. Might be a 200gsm (grams per sq meter) 2x2 toray fiber and then a 400gsm +/- 45 degree biaxial hexcel fiber, etc. Following the layup schedule ensures each seat is consistent in its performance and weight. Substituting a 200gsm for a 400gsm layer can add weight, strength and stiffness. Or changing from a 2x2 twill to a biaxial cloth will change stiffness and strength across different directions. A 2x2 twill has half the strength in two directions vs a unidirectional which has twice the strength in one direction. Or a 2x2 twill layer and then a biaxial layer will spread the total strength across 6 directions.

      One possibility is the part has an excessive amount of resin in the part due to loss of vacuum and/or voids between the layers of carbon...which WOULD be an issue.

      Another possibility is the part came out of the mold with visual defects. So they added an epoxy coat and lots of clear coat.

      I think the most likely possibility is they did not follow the layup schedule. Not a terrible thing since it sounds like they added layers of carbon which yields a stiffer and stronger seat. BUT...I would expect Recaro to have much better quality control.

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        #4
        Originally posted by usdmej View Post
        one of the ways they tried to dismiss my concerns was to say that my scales are probably inaccurate and theirs are not. well, i just so happen to work in a lab and have access to calibrated and validated scales so that was an easily refutable point.
        Lol. This line made my day.

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          #5
          Originally posted by usdmej View Post
          Recaro told me to go kick rocks
          What a bunch of asshats. That would just motivate me to post photos on every related fakebook and instascam group I could find.

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            #6
            Originally posted by usdmej View Post
            at the end of the day i'm super happy with the seat even though its a few pounds heavier than advertised. more concerning to me is how much lower my opinion is of Recaro the company itself. The seat isn't manufactured by them (3rd party mfg in Latvia), and their mismanagement of the advertised weight of the seat and customer service is probably one of the many reasons they're going bankrupt.
            That's too bad. Considering it's a $4000 seat, you'd think they would put a little bit of effort into their customer service. Thanks for the review.
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              #7
              Can confirm on Recaro customer service complaints as some time back I was looking at getting the Recaro Sportster CS with the built in airbag for another car, zero help on answering questions concerning wiring, compatibility, etc. Absolutely useless. I don't know what I was expecting but I certainly didn't get it.
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                #8
                Car seat manufacturer Recaro files for bankruptcy - Autoblog

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                  #9
                  Wow this is pretty disappointing. I was actually thinking of buying a set of Pole Positions ABE in carbon for a lightweight build I am doing. Spending the extra thousands of dollars for those extra few pounds of reduction in weight. This post is making me second guess myself and just buying a set of fiberglass Pole Position ABEs for have the price if listed weights are not accurate.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by heinzboehmer View Post
                    Oh nice! Appreciate the review.

                    To be honest, I never really paid much attention to these seats because they don't exactly match the interior aesthetic IMO. However, they do seem pretty appealing in other ways.

                    Couple questions:

                    1. Can you run harnesses through any of those top holes? Recaro harness holes tend to not fit me very well, but those look like they're more than tall enough.

                    2. Is there a hole for a sub strap?

                    ah yes they are pretty out there in terms of styling. but ever since bmw/porsche started using carbon buckets i wanted something smiliar. i do have custom interior upholstery plans in the future and from what i've seen that doesn't make them stand out as much.
                    you can run harnesses through any of the upper slots, my shoulder sit above the harness slots in a PP so having the option now is a plus
                    there is a hole for the sub strap at the bottom of the seat​


                    Originally posted by bigjae46 View Post
                    BUT...I would expect Recaro to have much better quality control.
                    from my research on the matter, i think there was either confusion internally or miscommunication between their contract manufacturer as to how much the complete seat actually weighs. some of their recent trade show advertising actually lists the weight of my heavy seat as the actual weight of the seat. that's conflated by the data sheet you can still download directly from their website saying the seat is lighter than it is. it give me the impression that it's currently a dumpster fire at Recaro.​

                    Originally posted by Obioban View Post

                    Lol. This line made my day.
                    decades of forum pettiness had prepped me for this moment

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by elbert View Post

                      What a bunch of asshats. That would just motivate me to post photos on every related fakebook and instascam group I could find.
                      haha if you look at all the companies out there promoting these seats on social media they never explicitly say how much the seat weighs. just a picture and generic platitudes about how cool the seat is. my guess is the industry already knows. now hopefully some consumers do too

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