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    Intake suggestions

    Hello everybody,

    I am about to install Schmiedmann headers and cat back 200 cells and trying to decide on an intake. I am currently looking at the Turner motorsport but no decision is made yet.

    The CSL option is obviously another option but is it worth the money?



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    on this forum you're probably going to have most people recommend some variation of the CSL intake. The Turner one falls under the CSL rep category but has the trumpeted end. Karbonius and Haimus have the design where you can attach a snorkel or flap.

    otherwise, I don't think many people will advise against the stock intake manifold unless maybe the Eventuri, although I don't have any experience with it


    edit: just realized you were talking about the top one in the pic below...i think most people will just tell you to leave it stock

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      This is the one I was looking at.
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        #4
        Originally posted by MathewM3 View Post

        This is the one I was looking at.
        Yeah, that's Turner's version of the CSL intake...seems like the people who have it like it although I recall a member on here saying the trumpeted end was rubbing on his car. Pretty good deal though for a carbon intake all things considered.
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          #5
          Basically you have 3 choices. You can get something like AFE/K&N which will make a pretty good noise compared to stock, but not much else power wise (source: I have one)

          Or, you can get the Eventuri which will make an even better noise, and a little bit of extra power with a stock tune (maybe)

          OR, you have to go all in with a CSL style air box. If you’re doing headers and cats, I would just go for it and do a custom tune since you probably don’t have emissions to worry about. There are off the shelf tunes but I don’t think any of them are worth it, especially when you can have Hassan tune the car remotely.

          There are a handful of air boxes to pick from, Turner is probably the cheapest but least good. I think most people go for Karbonius or Haimus
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            #6
            Originally posted by Nate047 View Post
            Basically you have 3 choices. You can get something like AFE/K&N which will make a pretty good noise compared to stock, but not much else power wise (source: I have one)

            Or, you can get the Eventuri which will make an even better noise, and a little bit of extra power with a stock tune (maybe)

            OR, you have to go all in with a CSL style air box. If you’re doing headers and cats, I would just go for it and do a custom tune since you probably don’t have emissions to worry about. There are off the shelf tunes but I don’t think any of them are worth it, especially when you can have Hassan tune the car remotely.

            There are a handful of air boxes to pick from, Turner is probably the cheapest but least good. I think most people go for Karbonius or Haimus
            I looked at all of the ones you mentioned except the Haimus, I guess you get what you pay for.

            Thanks for your input.

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              #7
              If going the CSL route my vote is Karbonius. Eventuri is a nice option if you want something that is easy to take on and off.

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                #8
                Originally posted by ugaexploder View Post
                on this forum you're probably going to have most people recommend some variation of the CSL intake. The Turner one falls under the CSL rep category but has the trumpeted end. Karbonius and Haimus have the design where you can attach a snorkel or flap.

                otherwise, I don't think many people will advise against the stock intake manifold unless maybe the Eventuri, although I don't have any experience with it


                edit: just realized you were talking about the top one in the pic below...i think most people will just tell you to leave it stock

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                I didn't realize Turner got into the game of making these now too. Sexy. Might have to make a move on one...
                I'm as confused as you are.
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                2016 991.1 Targa GTS
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nate047 View Post
                  Basically you have 3 choices. You can get something like AFE/K&N which will make a pretty good noise compared to stock, but not much else power wise (source: I have one)

                  Or, you can get the Eventuri which will make an even better noise, and a little bit of extra power with a stock tune (maybe)

                  OR, you have to go all in with a CSL style air box. If you’re doing headers and cats, I would just go for it and do a custom tune since you probably don’t have emissions to worry about. There are off the shelf tunes but I don’t think any of them are worth it, especially when you can have Hassan tune the car remotely.

                  There are a handful of air boxes to pick from, Turner is probably the cheapest but least good. I think most people go for Karbonius or Haimus
                  Dumb question but who is Hassan and where can I read about his tune? Sorry, I've been away from the forum for a while and haven't kept up as closely. "back in my day" TTFS was THE tune to go with if you were thinking of going CSL airbox, but ppl have been posting on the FB E46 M3 group that his tune has apparently been blowing up some S54 engines?
                  I'm as confused as you are.
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                  2016 991.1 Targa GTS
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by LeopardM3 View Post

                    Dumb question but who is Hassan and where can I read about his tune? Sorry, I've been away from the forum for a while and haven't kept up as closely. "back in my day" TTFS was THE tune to go with if you were thinking of going CSL airbox, but ppl have been posting on the FB E46 M3 group that his tune has apparently been blowing up some S54 engines?
                    Not a dumb question, I should have clarified that better. The company is called HTE Performance

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by LeopardM3 View Post

                      Dumb question but who is Hassan and where can I read about his tune? Sorry, I've been away from the forum for a while and haven't kept up as closely. "back in my day" TTFS was THE tune to go with if you were thinking of going CSL airbox, but ppl have been posting on the FB E46 M3 group that his tune has apparently been blowing up some S54 engines?
                      I'm running an HTE "canned'" tune, it's excellent. Entire experience was great. Search around and you'll find TTFS is not what you want to do.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Nate047 View Post

                        Not a dumb question, I should have clarified that better. The company is called HTE Performance

                        https://hteperformance.com/
                        Got it, thanks Nate, much appreciated.
                        I'm as confused as you are.
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                        Club 6MT
                        2006 M3
                        2016 991.1 Targa GTS
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                          #13
                          Does that Turner box use the same shaped filter as the OE part?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by bigjae46 View Post
                            Does that Turner box use the same shaped filter as the OE part?
                            Yes, and funny enough, the OE style filter fits and seals better on the Turner box versus Karb. Karb stopped making a carbon frame for the filter a while back. The ITG foam filter is probably a better fit for the Karb airbox and that is what they sell.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nate047 View Post
                              Basically you have 3 choices. You can get something like AFE/K&N which will make a pretty good noise compared to stock, but not much else power wise (source: I have one)

                              Or, you can get the Eventuri which will make an even better noise, and a little bit of extra power with a stock tune (maybe)

                              OR, you have to go all in with a CSL style air box. If you’re doing headers and cats, I would just go for it and do a custom tune since you probably don’t have emissions to worry about. There are off the shelf tunes but I don’t think any of them are worth it, especially when you can have Hassan tune the car remotely.

                              There are a handful of air boxes to pick from, Turner is probably the cheapest but least good. I think most people go for Karbonius or Haimus
                              There is 1 more option:
                              OEM Carbon Box from Karbonius
                              Kit Includes: Airbox CNC machine-made items of anodized aluminum Stainless-steel screws Certificate of authenticity The M3 CSL Carbon Airbox is one of the most demanded improvements among E46 M3 enthusiasts. This is due to the performance gain of course, but even more enjoyable is the intake sound it brings to car. Unfortunately, upgrading to the CSL airbox is both labor intensive and time-consuming; requiring a number of additional parts, wiring, and software. As such, it's a rather expensive modification. For those who are looking for a similar sound to the CSL carbon airbox but are less concerned about a performance gain, Karbonius has developed an OEM Style S54 carbon airbox. It is a simplified version of the CSL airbox and, apart from the louder intake sound (+12 dB compared to plastic OEM airbox), provides an awesome appearance and easy installation using standard intake elbow and MAF. No need to install any additional hardware or a remap. Regarding a power increase, Karbonius observed +4HP compared to the OEM airbox in a recent dyno test. Not significant enough of a gain with a 2% margin of error. Therefore, pending any additional testing, they claim no significant power increase, but no HP loss either. NOTE: For E46 M3 SMG models, a genuine CSL SMG reservoir is needed. Product Details: Similar sound to CSL carbon airbox Saves roughly 8lbs compared to OEM plastic airbox No remap software required 100% Carbon Prepreg Cured in autoclave High gloss UV protection varnish 2 year guarantee 2005-2006 M3 models and Z4 require pre-2005 throttle body boots and modified crankcase breather hose (see installed photo; Eventuri intake not included) E46 M3 SMG package includes OEM M3 CSL SMG reservoir and bracket; OE mounting location is drivers' side strut tower Application Guide: E46 M3 E36/7 Z3M S54B32 (2001-02) E85 / E86 Z4M


                              Get some of the carbon box sound without needing to tune or modify DME.

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