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    #16
    I chased EML issues on a non-M e46. The issue with this car ended up being oil leaking back through the oil pressure switch, traveling inside the wiring insulation like a straw, and pooling inside the connector at the DME.
    When I disconnected the other connectors to inspect, I found other connectors with fluid inside them (coolant) from another, unrelated leaking sensor (one of the coolant temp sensors).

    If you haven't already, I recommend inspecting every connector either directly related to, or adjacent to, the wiring associated with the fault codes you're getting.

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      #17
      Originally posted by 1000hp View Post
      I chased EML issues on a non-M e46. The issue with this car ended up being oil leaking back through the oil pressure switch, traveling inside the wiring insulation like a straw, and pooling inside the connector at the DME.
      When I disconnected the other connectors to inspect, I found other connectors with fluid inside them (coolant) from another, unrelated leaking sensor (one of the coolant temp sensors).

      If you haven't already, I recommend inspecting every connector either directly related to, or adjacent to, the wiring associated with the fault codes you're getting.
      Thank you for this info, I have checked some connectors but I think next time it rains I need to inspect every connector I have access too. Maybe I should soak the car with a hose and check cause I see no rain on the forecast.
      2004 M3-Silver Grey Metallic/Imola Red-Coupe-6spd
      2002 330Ci-Topaz Blue Metallic/Black-5spd
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        #18
        I wanted to give a quick update tonight for everyone because I have been getting suggestions from people and for that I thank you! I did the throttle calibration using INPA that sapote suggested instead of doing the key on, hold pedal for 10 sec pedal method that I have done in the past. Let me tell you currently the throttle is superrrrrrrr smooth, no feeling of missing or dead spots and my idle is rock solid. I am not sure the other method ever worked because I don't remember ever feeling this kind of difference after doing the calibration, I am assuming it was user error on my behalf and I was doing it wrong but with INPA there is no guessing if it worked or not since it's a click of a button. I am assuming after replacing tons of parts over the last year and not doing a correct throttle calibration the car was getting all confused. The part that I felt made the biggest improvement was the throttle actuator, I have read they rarely go bad compared to the TPS when it comes to the EML & TPS codes, but I did take my old one apart to see if anything was broken and it looked fine, this was before they were $1800, I feel like an idiot now for throwing it away but I got my Pierberg for $580 last December so I didn't pay a crazy price for it anyway, live and learn at least now I have a brand new one in the car.

        I also made a bonehead move and forgot the car had an H5 battery instead of H7 since I was trying to save weight, this car is a toy not a daily. I don't know if that could cause the specific issues I was having but maybe a lot of small issues caused 1 big issue. I do remember that as batteries start to die in my e46's I have had 3 non M and 1 M they tend to start to act a little weird. I put the H7 battery from my 330CI in the M to rule out any variables before i did the calibration using INPA.

        Now do I think the car is 100% fixed, honestly I don't think so because I have thought I fixed this problem 5 different times already and had that euphoric feeling only to be crushed when that EML returns at random, but the car feels rock solid at the moment. I drove the car for 1 hour and really beat on it and it stayed rock solid so there is hope. The next thing I would like to do is cold start the car after a rainy night because that seems cause an EML for some reason even though the I can't really find anything wet under to hood, the forecast has changed to 40% chance of rain tonight so I might get my answer tomorrow morning, fingers crossed. Thanks again everyone.
        2004 M3-Silver Grey Metallic/Imola Red-Coupe-6spd
        2002 330Ci-Topaz Blue Metallic/Black-5spd
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          #19
          Maybe a blocked Oil separator Part Number 11157840446



          ​Check my thread, mine was absolutely filled with trash

          Last edited by BL92; Yesterday, 01:05 AM.

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            #20
            Originally posted by BL92 View Post
            Maybe a blocked Oil separator Part Number 11157840446



            ​Check my thread, mine was absolutely filled with trash

            https://nam3forum.com/forums/forum/m...ase-vent-valve
            If this is for code 154, I only get that code using the cloned DME, as soon as I put my original DME back in the code goes away. eacmen is going to tune that out of the cloned DME for me, once I figure out how to extract the bin file he can tune the PCV sucking jet pump out. I kinda wanna clean mine anyway after looking at your thread tho, gross lol. Thanks for the info BL92!
            2004 M3-Silver Grey Metallic/Imola Red-Coupe-6spd
            2002 330Ci-Topaz Blue Metallic/Black-5spd
            Instagram- Norocehcap

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              #21
              For a quick test, disconnect all of the DME connectors and inspect for contamination and/or corrosion. If the issue is related to wiring you'll see something in there whether it's raining or not.

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                #22
                Originally posted by 1000hp View Post
                For a quick test, disconnect all of the DME connectors and inspect for contamination and/or corrosion. If the issue is related to wiring you'll see something in there whether it's raining or not.
                Thanks bud, I have already done that, I even took the DME apart and compared it to my spare DME to see if there was corrosion inside the housing or anything was broken, I have not found anything, I was kinda hoping to find corrosion on the plugs this way I knew where the problem was. Thanks for the suggestion, I appreciate it. I just drove the car this morning for 30 min and it's still driving well. I'm gonna try and drive the car everyday untill I get an EML again, but hopefully not.
                2004 M3-Silver Grey Metallic/Imola Red-Coupe-6spd
                2002 330Ci-Topaz Blue Metallic/Black-5spd
                Instagram- Norocehcap

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Norocehcap View Post

                  Thanks bud, I have already done that, I even took the DME apart and compared it to my spare DME to see if there was corrosion inside the housing or anything was broken, I have not found anything, I was kinda hoping to find corrosion on the plugs this way I knew where the problem was. Thanks for the suggestion, I appreciate it. I just drove the car this morning for 30 min and it's still driving well. I'm gonna try and drive the car everyday untill I get an EML again, but hopefully not.
                  Super happy for you, fingers crossed. I hope this ends up being the fix, which codes were you getting again? I want to check yours vs mine, thanks!

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                    #24
                    H5 instead of H7 battery in good condition don’t cause this kind of problem. They affect cranking in super cold weather.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by 332 View Post

                      Super happy for you, fingers crossed. I hope this ends up being the fix, which codes were you getting again? I want to check yours vs mine, thanks!
                      "120 Throttle Potentiometer Comparison"
                      "118 Throttle Potentiometer 1"
                      "119 Throttle valve Potentiometer 2"
                      "121 Both Throttle Valve Potentiometers"

                      These are the codes I was getting in INPA

                      "P1637- throttle valve position control deviation"
                      "P0121- throttle/pedal position sensor/switch “A” circuit range/performance"
                      "P0221- throttle/pedal position sensor/switch “B” circuit range/performance."

                      And these are the codes my schwaben/foxwell BMW scanner was pulling

                      Fingers crossed, thanks I hope so too!
                      Last edited by Norocehcap; Yesterday, 09:33 AM.
                      2004 M3-Silver Grey Metallic/Imola Red-Coupe-6spd
                      2002 330Ci-Topaz Blue Metallic/Black-5spd
                      Instagram- Norocehcap

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by sapote View Post
                        H5 instead of H7 battery in good condition don’t cause this kind of problem. They affect cranking in super cold weather.
                        Okay good to know, thanks for that info. I weighted both batteries and the H5 saved 20 lbs.

                        I'm definitely not a mechanic, just a guy playing with toys lol.
                        Last edited by Norocehcap; Yesterday, 09:20 AM.
                        2004 M3-Silver Grey Metallic/Imola Red-Coupe-6spd
                        2002 330Ci-Topaz Blue Metallic/Black-5spd
                        Instagram- Norocehcap

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Norocehcap View Post

                          "120 Throttle Potentiometer Comparison"
                          "118 Throttle Potentiometer 1"
                          "119 Throttle valve Potentiometer 2"
                          "121 Both Throttle Valve Potentiometers"

                          These are the codes I was getting in INPA

                          "P1637- throttle valve position control deviation"
                          "P0121- throttle/pedal position sensor/switch “A” circuit range/performance"
                          "P0221- throttle/pedal position sensor/switch “B” circuit range/performance."

                          And these are the codes my schwaben/foxwell BMW scanner was pulling

                          Fingers crossed, thanks I hope so too!
                          I had throttle codes in my case also. The wires that were fouled with oil were in a bundle under the intake that shared a common ground. On the 325i, the oil pressure sensor and (I think) vanos solenoid shared a ground with some of the other stuff on that branch of the harness. I believe that's where the oil was spread to the other wires.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by 1000hp View Post

                            I had throttle codes in my case also. The wires that were fouled with oil were in a bundle under the intake that shared a common ground. On the 325i, the oil pressure sensor and (I think) vanos solenoid shared a ground with some of the other stuff on that branch of the harness. I believe that's where the oil was spread to the other wires.
                            What a nightmare, thinking its TPS since that what the codes say and it turns out to be oil soaked wires and grounds under the intake wow. When/if my 330Ci ever acts up at least ill know where to look after chasing my tail for months lol, glade you figured that out I wouldn't have hah.
                            2004 M3-Silver Grey Metallic/Imola Red-Coupe-6spd
                            2002 330Ci-Topaz Blue Metallic/Black-5spd
                            Instagram- Norocehcap

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