Do not use Ehrlich Wheel Works

[maupineda]

Thanks for sharing the experience as is something we all can learn from.

That said, as an engineer and mechanical designer, you NEVER trust something fits your specification without any sort of physics checking. How many of us have shared here we designed something, and despite being clever and careful, we need to go through more than one iteration. case in point, I designed some tools for my diff build and still had to modify them as I miss-calculated something, even if it was by a fraction of a mm.

When something is custom made to your spec, you must be sure that you have taken all measurements, and if physical verification is not possible you must leave some room for error. A custom wheel design is one of those things you just cannot go with someone else's statement unless you know for a fact you will be running something others have done so successfully.

I hope you get your money back OP

[Nate047]

That sucks man. Forgive me if I’m missing something here. But isn’t it kind of like, a widely known fact that E88s have issues fitting with big brake kits?

That being said, Paul should still refund you since you asked, he said one thing, and it turned out to be wrong.

[fattycharged]

You could have avoided all of this by confirming they'd fit with a template check. Paul is just a small business owner trying to make cool wheels for people. I have never had anything but positive experiences with him, assuming he is somehow trying to scam you with a roundabout shipping back and forth to ultimately rebuild the wheels is a wild thought...

[9kracing]

Seems pretty clear a charge back will work as it does say BBK clearance. Right off the website: https://ewheelworks.us/products/18-bbs-e88

9k, did you specify further customizations?

Wheels were originally 19x10 +25 in front, and 19x11 +25 in rear.... I had them redone to 19x10 +25 square... so different barrels in the rear.

[digger]

yeah this is no scam, it is a misunderstanding and i doubt it is malicious. TBH the first post says they fit with spacer, so they do fit and it is a bit unclear if the vendor actually stated they fit without spacer as per customers intentions so without extract transcripts cant say much else

[Slideways]

Team Schirmer signature wheel is the E88, so the first place to check baseline fitment is their site:

For M3 E46, M3 E90, M3 E92 and 1M E82 front 10 inch & back 11 inch. Fender adjustments will be necessary.

Weight: 9.5 kg / 9.7 kg per rim.

ATTENTION: Schirmer spacers are required for front axle.

Offset E models: 21.5 mm / 21.5 mm

If the 18/19X10 ET21.5 requires a spacer to clear the suspension strut or a BBK, a ET25 will definitely require a spacer. When it comes to custom wheel fitment, willtheyfit.com and research are very useful tools.

[Sharocks]

He's built E88's for numerous E46 M3's with BBKs.

Did you not speak with him/email him with the exact specs of your car and what sizes you wanted to run?

He said they would clear vs. you asked for a set of E88's in sizes you thought would fit because his website says they clear is what I'm trying to understand.

If he knew of your setup and goals and made them to order and they still don't fit, that's on him.

Example, my E88's barely clear my Brembo GTR 4 piston/355mm setup up front.

Ain't no chance in hell they'd clear my Brembo GT 6 piston/380mm setup on my S3R even if they were 19's I'd have concerns lol

[0-60motorsports]

9kracing Sorry to hear this happened. Now, whether the issue is on your end or his, i see 505/50 here, i hope this issue gets resolved soon.

On the other this is one of the reason i'll be doing my own barrels when i want to widen the setup on my LMs.

[paulclaude]

Team Schirmer signature wheel is the E88, so the first place to check baseline fitment is their site:



If the 18/19X10 ET21.5 requires a spacer to clear the suspension strut or a BBK, a ET25 will definitely require a spacer. When it comes to custom wheel fitment, willtheyfit.com and research are very useful tools.

I guess that Schirmer state their sets may need the spacer to cover fitment issues... however my Schirmer E88's in 18x10 / 18x10.5 and AP Racing 6-pot CP9040 / 362mm fit just fine with plenty of clearance and no spacer FWIW

[Nate047]

I guess that Schirmer state their sets may need the spacer to cover fitment issues... however my Schirmer E88's in 18x10 / 18x10.5 and AP Racing 6-pot CP9040 / 362mm fit just fine with plenty of clearance and no spacer FWIW

Please post some pics of your car for posterity's sake.

[usdmej]

in this case it's concerning that neither buyer nor seller engaged in adequate communication to ensure the wheels being ordered would have the correct BBK clearance.

stoptech (RIP) used to provide a PDF of their brake caliper dimensions that you could print out or send to wheel builders to ensure proper clearance. If i ever ordered custom wheels i'd 100% ensure that the builder got the proper info and confirmed "fitment"


that being said, it's totally laughable for people here to be on the sellers side. dude is selling a "signature spec" wheel with his own damn name on it. to paint him as "just a guy" helping other guys have cool wheels does not aligned with how he advertises his services

[oceansize]

in this case it's concerning that neither buyer nor seller engaged in adequate communication to ensure the wheels being ordered would have the correct BBK clearance.

stoptech (RIP) used to provide a PDF of their brake caliper dimensions that you could print out or send to wheel builders to ensure proper clearance. If i ever ordered custom wheels i'd 100% ensure that the builder got the proper info and confirmed "fitment"


that being said, it's totally laughable for people here to be on the sellers side. dude is selling a "signature spec" wheel with his own damn name on it. to paint him as "just a guy" helping other guys have cool wheels does not aligned with how he advertises his services

Nobody is on the sellers side. We’ve all had troubles and have learned that you cannot trust most shops or retailers. Only a handful of people I would trust with my car and most all are on this board. Guys like George, Kevin, Anri, Bryson etc. Regular contributors.

Also, I think people would like to see the communication that occurred.

Paul is a well known guy who builds a lot of wheels and owns an E46 M3. This is a weird series of events.

Lastly, this is a BMW forum. Everyone, including myself, knows everything about everything. 🤣

[///Marecki]

This feels like a sign from above for me. I came across a set of BBS's with some funny offset specs and I was wondering how I could make it work.

I wouldnt go as far to say it's a scam, but its a customer service issue that requires full refund to buyer and nothing less in my eyes. Sadly the only way to get stuff accomplished vs a vendor that has messed up is to press them like this. You will get stonewalled until the bad google review or whatever then they suddenly want to talk.

[fattycharged]

https://ewheelworks.us/products/bbs-bmw-e88-19-staggered?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=b9f8cdcf5&pr_rec_pid=8255837044918&pr_ref_pid=8279818076342&pr_seq=uniform&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=paid&utm_id=120232577997230448&utm_content=120232577999840448&utm_term=120232577997400448&utm_campaign=120232577997230448

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[bigjae46]

in this case it's concerning that neither buyer nor seller engaged in adequate communication to ensure the wheels being ordered would have the correct BBK clearance.

stoptech (RIP) used to provide a PDF of their brake caliper dimensions that you could print out or send to wheel builders to ensure proper clearance. If i ever ordered custom wheels i'd 100% ensure that the builder got the proper info and confirmed "fitment"


that being said, it's totally laughable for people here to be on the sellers side. dude is selling a "signature spec" wheel with his own damn name on it. to paint him as "just a guy" helping other guys have cool wheels does not aligned with how he advertises his services

I'm on 9KRacing's side. Let's get the torches and pitchforks and show up to Ehrlich's doorstep! LFG!!! At a minimum I will be immature and annoying so I did send a request for a quote.

I'd say there are a lot of shithead retailers out there, only a few good ones. Perfectly reasonable to expect that a discerning wheel curater would want to ask questions and take steps to prevent fitment issues. A reasonable person would think that a discerning curated wheel retailer is incentivized to ensure the customer has a good experience and receives a great product. Sounds like the discerning wheel curater did not which someone selling curated custom wheels probably should be asking a lot of questions. And that is why automotive wheel retailers come and go by the day.

I can absolutely place the blame on the retailer. BUT...the fact is 9kracing is in this bullshit mess and the REAL QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU AVOID THIS SHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

One easy thing to do is to post here and ask a question. Yes, I roll my eyes at repetitive questions on facebook but I view this place as a safe space for some of the dumbest questions to be asked. I have tested it along with many others. Not a bad experience at all. I recommend it.

Better than getting wheels that don't fit and then dealing with an uncooperative discerning curating retailer.