BBS E88s by Team Schirmer Parts GmbH

[slicer]

Weird. I rather to help a "newcomer" than a company. Will be awesome to help Slicer Paddock for example.

Thank you for saying this! I really appreciate the comment.

[slicer]

From my understanding, they are not the same product. This is a Schirmer Spec.

Unsure how a business model of hiding specs and charging a premium for it is awesome.

I can’t list prices publicly, but these are the best prices they’ve ever been.

Schirmer centers are available to us in the the US (literally using the same part number of a center that we use), with 2 exceptions.

1 - They enlarge the hardware. This is to fix a problem that I have not experienced. It is not necessarily a bad thing to increase the size of hardware, other than it reducing the rim face material. That being said, we have not experienced bolt failure with numerous sets sold, therefore I don't view it as necessary. There is one exception to this and I believe it was due to under-torquing of the assembly hardware. The rigors of the Nurburgring are exceptional.

2 - They limit themselves to one part number. Presumably due to TUV approval. As a result, the specs they offer are very limited. In the US we use over 10 different centers in order to adjust offsets for the perfect wheel fit. Instead the specs offered in the GB require spacers and fender rolling/pulling in many instances. Not ideal considering this wheel can be custom tailored to avoid both of those things. There is no TUV to worry about in the US.

[Good]

My local BBS dealer is cheaper than the pricing offered here. Custom width/offset is also available, but the downside is the wait time is 6 months+ unfortunately.

[Jickel180]

Weird. I rather to help a "newcomer" than a company. Will be awesome to help Slicer Paddock for example.

Agreed. I've been looking at E88s for a while and each vendor has been on the same page about time frames which all hover around 6 months. This is the first I've heard of a quicker lead time than that so it makes me wonder what Schirmer does different. I've already made my choice though. 🙂

[r4dr]

The pricing you are offering in the group buy (after shipping and import fees/tax) is literally almost exactly the same that we are offering in the US.

RE - your comment about "hiding specs" We don't sell a "one size fits all" spec like Shirmer. Our wheel specs vary depending on the customer's car specs, desired fit, suspension, brakes, camber, desired tires, etc. Every single customer that we work with is provided their wheel specs.

Do you have a website, or is it all through Instagram DMs? Curious to compare.

Feel free to PM me if you would rather not say in this thread.

[Epoustouflant]

Schirmer centers are available to us in the the US (literally using the same part number of a center that we use), with 2 exceptions.

1 - They enlarge the hardware. This is to fix a problem that I have not experienced. In my opinion it is not necessarily a bad thing to increase the size of hardware, other than it reducing the rim face material. That being said, we have not experienced bolt failure with numerous sets sold, therefore I don't view it as necessary. There is one exception to this and I believe it was due to under-torquing of the assembly hardware.

2 - They limit themselves to one part number. Presumably due to TUV approval. As a result, the specs they offer are very limited. We use over 10 different centers in order to adjust offsets for the perfect wheel fit. Instead the specs offered here require spacers and fender rolling/pulling in many instances. Not ideal considering this wheel can be custom tailored to avoid both of those things. The specs they are offering for the e46, e9x and f8x all require spacers and/or pulling of fenders to fit with the tire sizes that Schirmer uses. Not my idea of an ideal spec.

Hey Brett,

I understand the E88 is literally your IG profile picture and this hits at the core, but none of what you’ve been doing on Facebook, nor here, is anything acceptable.

If you want to compete, do so in the proper way, offer your own promotion & GB elsewhere on the forum. I personally won’t care and neither will Schirmer.

You joined the forum simply to litter a GB thread from a competitor’s brand.

I will again correct your false insinuations about Schirmer.

- They offer various specs that do not require fender pulling
- All 90 + Schirmer GTs use spacers and are extensively used on the Ring. You, yourself, sell multiple BBS Motorsport wheels that require spacers.
- The bolt issue is heavily documented in Germany by Schirmer over decades of experience: something you simply don’t have.
- The pricing offered in early access was better than anything ever offered in the US for E88s. 10x members got that price.

I am actually thinking of offering the wheels right back at early access pricing due to your attempts at painting Schirmer offerings as inferior to yours.

What you’ve been attempting to do by seeping doubt into everyone’s mind is of bad taste.

I’d appreciate - and so would Schirmer, that you stick to your own postings.

At the end of the day, the community can choose the product they prefer from the source they prefer without vendors hijacking each other’s thread.

[Sharocks]

I'm just here with a square set of E88's already in my garage wondering how much a set is. If I can resell my set and fund a built set I'll do so.

You need to start listing prices man lol

[Epoustouflant]

I'm just here with a square set of E88's already in my garage wondering how much a set is. If I can resell my set and fund a built set I'll do so.

You need to start listing prices man lol

That is what guys like Slicer and everyone else is hoping I do to hit the Connex with a cease and desist over MAP pricing.

For the benefits of the whole community, I am not ever doing this. An account takes a min of your time - well worth it and will be required for the SS GB as well.

[02_lsb]

Are these free? Where is the price?

[Kiser.mt]

You need to start listing prices man lol

There’s a link in the first post that provides all of the info and pricing - It’s not difficult

[Jickel180]

I'm just here with a square set of E88's already in my garage wondering how much a set is. If I can resell my set and fund a built set I'll do so.

You need to start listing prices man lol

Really depends on what specs yours are. Center cap vs non, silver vs. gold, lip sizes, etc. Lots of variations with these wheels even in the same dimensions.

[bjz!]

Thank you for saying this! I really appreciate the comment.

Nah. I let you know my paypal to get my cut. 😂😂😂

[bjz!]

Agreed. I've been looking at E88s for a while and each vendor has been on the same page about time frames which all hover around 6 months. This is the first I've heard of a quicker lead time than that so it makes me wonder what Schirmer does different. I've already made my choice though. 🙂

I contact Slicer around... 2 years maybe, great to deal with. He explain everything about the specs on the E46, but at the end of the day i decided not to buy, because, E88 to me, seems not to be perfect to my eyes on my E46. Looks good in a few track cars, but not on my OE+. But... For me visually they need to have e92 centers, deep center bores is what makes them atractive to my eyes.

[bjz!]

Are these free? Where is the price?

Probably around 4K/4.5K

[slicer]

Hey Brett,

I understand the E88 is literally your IG profile picture and this hits at the core, but none of what you’ve been doing on Facebook, nor here, is anything acceptable.

If you want to compete, do so in the proper way, offer your own promotion & GB elsewhere on the forum. I personally won’t care and neither will Schirmer.

You joined the forum simply to litter a GB thread from a competitor’s brand.

I will again correct your false insinuations about Schirmer.

- They offer various specs that do not require fender pulling
- All 90 + Schirmer GTs use spacers and are extensively used on the Ring. You, yourself, sell multiple BBS Motorsport wheels that require spacers.
- The bolt issue is heavily documented in Germany by Schirmer over decades of experience: something you simply don’t have.
- The pricing offered in early access was better than anything ever offered in the US for E88s. 10x members got that price.

I am actually thinking of offering the wheels right back at early access pricing due to your attempts at painting Schirmer offerings as inferior to yours.

What you’ve been attempting to do by seeping doubt into everyone’s mind is of bad taste.

I’d appreciate - and so would Schirmer, that you stick to your own postings.

At the end of the day, the community can choose the product they prefer from the source they prefer without vendors hijacking each other’s thread.

We won't be doing a group buy that converts a custom product (made to order in perfect specs for each person's car setup), into a one-size-fits all product that rubs rear fenders.

I would expect a reaction from Schirmer if I did a group buy in Germany with the sole purpose of attempting to undercut them and working around their country's distribution channels (keep in mind you are working around not only US retailers, but also BBS USA). I of course would not do that. There should be no surprise here. - To be clear, based on the info I have seen the pricing is either equal or within $100 to $200 of the prices offered in the US (with the pre-order price).