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Originally posted by 0-60motorsports View Post
interesting. never knew that.
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Lang is shit to be honest. He's a GREAT sales guy but claims a lot of the work is his and done in-house when in reality he's just using a subpar guy to do everything. I gave the dude $7k and the communication was crap. I had to constantly call to get any sort of updates and when I asked about changing to the valves I am now using and paying the difference he told me what he had ON HAND was good enough for my usage which was not true. He just wanted to make a quick sale and not deal with putting in effort to change a work order. My fault for learning this while the work was being done because there was no real consultation at all and this was my first engine build. Wouldn't make the same mistakes again next time around, but you live you learn. I know three other guys who I am personally friends with that have had similarly poor experiences with Andrew setting expectations and delivering entirely a left field result. The fact the leaking valves were only caught because I had the head redone is pretty bad if I'm being honest. I even received a note on my head from the machinist to make sure to install lash caps when setting the valve clearances and I didn't even purchase the valves that require those! Lol.
After dealing with Lang first hand, I am now convinced his reputation is a lot of hype driven. Those who heavily work on the products he has services for, the conclusion is all the same, the quality of work is subpar and communication is non-existent for a very high price. This is not a buyers remorse response, but more of a buyer beware post because a lot of people here that came out to me to tell me their equally horrible experiences with Andrew were not vocal enough to post on the forums about it.2003 E46 M3 TiAg/Cinnamon 6MT
2005 E46 330i ZHP Imola/Sand
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I didn't want to shit on anyone's parade but that is lang in a nutshell. I often wonder why people spend their hard earned dollars on their unproven work.
I contacted them several years ago for a quote on racp job and one of the guys told me 3-3.5k-ish which is double the going rate. I asked if they had any re-failures and the guy said no etc, the typical sales bs.
That was before I learned the true story of how Andrew got started and all that but people seem to want to give him the benefit of the doubt. I myself would have a real engine builder touch my shit.2003.5 MT JB/B - CSL SCHRICK SUPERSPRINT EISENMANN JRZ SWIFT MILLWAY APR ENDLESS BBS/SSR DREXLER KMP SACHS RECARO AR SLON MKRS GSP DMG KARBONIUS CP AUTOSOLUTIONS KOYO
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Originally posted by jet_dogg View PostI didn't want to shit on anyone's parade but that is lang in a nutshell. I often wonder why people spend their hard earned dollars on their unproven work.
I contacted them several years ago for a quote on racp job and one of the guys told me 3-3.5k-ish which is double the going rate. I asked if they had any re-failures and the guy said no etc, the typical sales bs.
That was before I learned the true story of how Andrew got started and all that but people seem to want to give him the benefit of the doubt. I myself would have a real engine builder touch my shit.
You live you learn.
Funny it seems every couple months a new Lang story comes to light. Buddy of mine on here got the street version of a carbon roof from him in 2019 and he had it clear coated after the fact. Well the carbon has completely faded through and his car sees ZERO sun and is garaged lol. Andrew responded with “it’s a racecar product and most people don’t care to complain about it.”
Well of course people aren’t complaining on a racecar. They aren’t looking. That’s no excuse though for poor workmanship and quality. That’s just a cop out.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk2003 E46 M3 TiAg/Cinnamon 6MT
2005 E46 330i ZHP Imola/Sand
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Originally posted by thegenius46m View Post
Hmm, I have similar mods that were just done with a similar built head as well. 340whp on a dyno jet seems awfully low with that setup. Have you leakdown tested the motor out of curiosity? When I got my stage 3 head back from Lang it had leaking valves and my local machinist had to fix it. Hard to believe cats in section 1 is really robbing 20 whp but it’s been a bit since I checked.
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Hoping to get back on the dyno this spring to see what happens. Can you share your dyno results? Who did your tune?2005 BMW M3 ZCP Black/Black - HTE Tuning | Kassel CSL DME | 288/280 Schrick Cams+DLC Followers | Lang Head | Dinan TBs | Bosch 550cc | Radium Fuel System | Karbonious CSL Airbox+OE Snorkel | SS V1 Stepped+Catted Sec 1+Resonated Twin Pipe+Race | 3.91, 3 stage clutch | FCM 400/600 | Vorshlag Camber Plates, RSM | Rogue ASP | AKG FCABs, SFBs | TMS Front Sway, Camber Arms, Monoball RTABs, Pullies | Mason Race Strut + X-Brace | AS 30% SSK | SPAL | Redish Plates | Turbo Toys V2 Hub | WPC Rod Bearings
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Originally posted by stash1 View Post
I started posting up a comparison graph, but realized that your torque numbers are actually pretty comparable to a similar vehicle above 3,500 rpms. (The bell shape of your curve was throwing me off-lol.) Under 3,500 rpms though, your torque falls off of a cliff...that's a characteristic of a large single pipe set up. A traditional well tuned twin-pipe set up will hold a pretty flat torque from just above 2,000 all the way up to red-line. I think my car was down around 50 ft. lbs. under 3,500 rpms...and that was w/tuning. Ha, it's an ok state, if you can avoid Baltimore City...think we're like #2 on the murder rate hit list now-UUGH!
I grew up in Montgomery Co. Left for the USAF and returned, then moved to Columbia, Md. Moved again -- sadly. Now stuck in Mo. They don't call it Misery for no reason.
Not wrong about Baltimore. FAR rougher than inner city DC.
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Originally posted by snaponbob View Post
I grew up in Montgomery Co. Left for the USAF and returned, then moved to Columbia, Md. Moved again -- sadly. Now stuck in Mo. They don't call it Misery for no reason.
Not wrong about Baltimore. FAR rougher than inner city DC.
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Originally posted by eXpensiveGears View PostAnyone have experience with Steve Dinan's new shop, Carbahn? Seems like he might be a good alternative to Lang. I am thinking about doing a full build on my car but definitely not using Lang anymore.
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Originally posted by eXpensiveGears View PostAnyone have experience with Steve Dinan's new shop, Carbahn? Seems like he might be a good alternative to Lang. I am thinking about doing a full build on my car but definitely not using Lang anymore.2003.5 MT JB/B - CSL SCHRICK SUPERSPRINT EISENMANN JRZ SWIFT MILLWAY APR ENDLESS BBS/SSR DREXLER KMP SACHS RECARO AR SLON MKRS GSP DMG KARBONIUS CP AUTOSOLUTIONS KOYO
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Originally posted by digger View PostIt is waste of money going with these name brand places, they aren't adding value that justifies the premium
mawLast edited by maw1124; 02-16-2022, 07:32 AM.
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