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most shops/tuners will recommend alpha-N simply because it's easier to install and tune. they know that most paying customers aren't interested in spending more time and money than they have to so they can always fall back on the MAP suggestion if a customer is unhappy with the end product.
anyone that puts the effort into making the jump to a MAP sensor setup is generally going to be more nit-picky and have higher expectations for their setup. they want OE driveability and that includes flooring it at 2500 RPM without anything wacky going on. that might explain why you see more complaints about driveability from guys running the complete setup
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Originally posted by BMWfanz View Post
Check this thread, maybe it will be helpful https://nam3forum.com/forums/forum/s...or-drivability
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Originally posted by 9kracing View Post
I'm still MAF
A CSL intake has always been part of the plan, but threads like this make me wonder just how big a gamble I am taking. These days we are talking something like $4k for this upgrade. Too much to end up unhappy.Last edited by D-O; 03-29-2024, 11:38 AM.Old, not obsolete.
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Originally posted by D-O View Post
Mass Air Flow sensor? Did not know you could use one with the CSL intake.
A CSL intake has always been part of the plan, but threads like this make me wonder just how big a gamble I am taking. These days we are talking something like $4k for this upgrade. Too much to end up unhappy.
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Originally posted by D-O View Post
Mass Air Flow sensor? Did not know you could use one with the CSL intake.
A CSL intake has always been part of the plan, but threads like this make me wonder just how big a gamble I am taking. These days we are talking something like $4k for this upgrade. Too much to end up unhappy.GT4 Composites
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Originally posted by 9kracing View PostI don't want to start a big thing, but my car has been tuned 4 times by Hassan, and I haven't been happy with a single one. Granted, my car isn't your average CSL intake car, but I expected more given the nutsack riding that goes on here.
I'm used to tuners spending a few hours on the dyno, and then doing a street tune to really nail down the part throttle. My car bucks hard under toe in, and there's other issues as well. I'm not saying HTE doesn't produce good tunes, but I've always questioned the efficacy of remote tuning.
I bought an AEM standalone I plan to switch to in the future.
That's completely different from what we are discussing here.
If you want it to be perfect, then you will have to spend hours on the dyno, street log and tune and then back on the dyno and possibly throw some more parts at it.
That's how it goes with boost.
NA is much more simple.
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Originally posted by davidinnyc View PostI just slapped in a Kassel CSL converted DME and MAP sensor with a CSL air rail and I get pretty severe bucking when trying to "floor" it... low end torque also seems to be lacking a bit, but then maybe I was expecting kick you in your pants pulling like everyone says they feel.
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I've been putting off starting this thread for a long time, and each time I work on the car I wish I had a place to drop updates. I'll start off here and fill in the details as I go along. Background: I grew up working at my father's indy BMW/Mini shop, owned many BMWs, several Porsches and one 50 year old jag that's now
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Hi all, I've been incredibly happy to find this forum. My heart was a bit broken after the other forum went away, but thanks to all of you that have resurrected this - it's incredible! I previously owned a 2001 IR/Black coupe that I had a lot of fun with. Evolve CSL box, Ground control Coilovers, etc. Was a lovely car!
I recently purchased this immaculate 2004 Silver Grey E46 M3 with 26,000 miles with the intention of doing a CSL inspired build. My son, who is 19 months old at the time of creating this thread, already has the BMW bug. I wanted a long term project that we could enjoy together and work on throughout the years. This is my 8th
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Originally posted by davidinnyc View PostI just slapped in a Kassel CSL converted DME and MAP sensor with a CSL air rail and I get pretty severe bucking when trying to "floor" it... low end torque also seems to be lacking a bit, but then maybe I was expecting kick you in your pants pulling like everyone says they feel.
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Originally posted by davidinnyc View PostI just slapped in a Kassel CSL converted DME and MAP sensor with a CSL air rail and I get pretty severe bucking when trying to "floor" it... low end torque also seems to be lacking a bit, but then maybe I was expecting kick you in your pants pulling like everyone says they feel.
David
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Originally posted by davidinnyc View PostI just slapped in a Kassel CSL converted DME and MAP sensor with a CSL air rail and I get pretty severe bucking when trying to "floor" it... low end torque also seems to be lacking a bit, but then maybe I was expecting kick you in your pants pulling like everyone says they feel.
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Originally posted by davidinnyc View PostI just slapped in a Kassel CSL converted DME and MAP sensor with a CSL air rail and I get pretty severe bucking when trying to "floor" it... low end torque also seems to be lacking a bit, but then maybe I was expecting kick you in your pants pulling like everyone says they feel.
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