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Originally posted by bavarian3 View PostD-O Tbonem3 bigjae46 Ok so here is the followup email. This, clears it up, i think? 🤨
Me: About the dimensions you mention, which are you referring to? Is the strut shaft diameter the issue? Would love to hear more because I still don't understand the issue.
TCK: Yes. Shaft diameter varies on M3 struts.
This strut fits the following vehicles:
2003-2009 BMW Z4 2.5i, 3.0i, 3.0si
1999-2005 BMW 323i, 325i, 328i, 330i, coupes, sedans, wagon, cabrio. (excl. xi AWD)
2001-2006 BMW M3 Coupe and Cabrio. (requires TC Kline camber plates on all E46 M3 because the OE shaft on the M3 is shorter and is also a larger diameter)
Last edited by D-O; 03-15-2024, 12:42 PM.Old, not obsolete.
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Originally posted by D-O View Post
Thank you sir. Makes sense when you consider TCK has this on the page for the SA fronts:
This strut fits the following vehicles:
2003-2009 BMW Z4 2.5i, 3.0i, 3.0si
1999-2005 BMW 323i, 325i, 328i, 330i, coupes, sedans, wagon, cabrio. (excl. xi AWD)
2001-2006 BMW M3 Coupe and Cabrio. (requires TC Kline camber plates on all E46 M3 because the OE shaft on the M3 is shorter and is also a larger diameter)
Nice find!
So where that leaves us is simply using any camber plates but with the proper sleeve...or non-m, correct?
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I have been leaning towards the Turner street or hybrid, but the fact that they no longer offer 14mm spacers or 60mm perches means sourcing and pressing in your own spacers (which someone has done using off the shelf spacers from McMaster-Carr - Tbone has done it as well, but I don't know where he sourced the spacers), and figuring something out for the perch. The other options I am considering are the Vorschlag "racing" camber plates, Ground Control Streets, or figuring out how to make the E36 hats work.Old, not obsolete.
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I've installed GCs on a few cars and not everyone makes noise, but of all the cars I've installed camber plates onto its the GC ones that make noise... and primarily its popping with low speed turns. We generally don't install GCs anymore.
Right now we put:
-Vorshlag on track focused cars.
-TMS on street cars that need more camber OR planning for the future/don't want to buy stock when you can buy these at a similar price.
-Stock on "OE" cars.'00 R11S, '09 HP2S, '12 R12GSA, '00 Gray 332iT (SOLD), '00 Black 323iT, '02 Alpine 325iT (Track Wagon), '02 Japan Rot 325iT
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Originally posted by George Hill View PostI've installed GCs on a few cars and not everyone makes noise, but of all the cars I've installed camber plates onto its the GC ones that make noise... and primarily its popping with low speed turns. We generally don't install GCs anymore.
Right now we put:
-Vorshlag on track focused cars.
-TMS on street cars that need more camber OR planning for the future/don't want to buy stock when you can buy these at a similar price.
-Stock on "OE" cars.
Also - any tips on a 60mm spring perch for the Turners?
Thanks.Old, not obsolete.
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Originally posted by D-O View Post
I know its a loaded question, but how much harsher are the Vorshlags than the Turners?
Also - any tips on a 60mm spring perch for the Turners?
Thanks.
I’ve only had the Vorshlags on my E46.
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Originally posted by D-O View PostI know its a loaded question, but how much harsher are the Vorshlags than the Turners?
Originally posted by D-O View PostAlso - any tips on a 60mm spring perch for the Turners?
'00 R11S, '09 HP2S, '12 R12GSA, '00 Gray 332iT (SOLD), '00 Black 323iT, '02 Alpine 325iT (Track Wagon), '02 Japan Rot 325iT
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Originally posted by Tbonem3 View PostJust guessing here, but I bet it has to do with 14mm versus 16mm shaft and/or maybe the square shoulder (koni) versus tapered (bilstein).
I solved my issue (that TMS plates only work with 16mm not 14mm - my MCS are 14mm) by using some bronze bearings that were 14mm ID and 16mm od. It perfectly picked up the slack and filled out the TMS bearing 16mm ID.
If anyone has a specific question about fitment or compatability, feel free to PM me. Once I know the details, I bet I can figure it out.
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r4dr reports that 6679K18 from McMaster-Carr will work as well. I wish I had a good coilover option other than Ohlins that is compatible with the stock upper mount.
It looks like the Turner plates have a bushing that is sleeved for a 16mm shaft (stock-sized shaft, maybe?). My MCS are 14mm, which seems to be pretty common in the aftermarket. There's 2mm of play there, which doesn't seem great to me. Has anyone run into this before? Do I need to sleeve the shaft to match the 16mm ID of theLast edited by D-O; 03-21-2024, 10:39 AM.Old, not obsolete.
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Originally posted by PetrolM3 View PostYes! It’s the popping at low speeds. It’s now a vague memory for me but thanks for chiming in, I don’t want to be the outlier here crapping on GC units lol
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